Wednesday, March 18, 2020

CIRA International digs deeper; no original sin in HB, where is it?

In answer to the video "Only Jesus is Sinless According to the Quran | Islamic Original Sin Dilemma"

So if this strange doctrine of original sin cant be found in the HB, then where do these Christians derive the idea from. For that, we have to look no further than the very one who created that religion.

After Jesus' death, Paul's main problem was to convince his Jewish audience that the messiah's death, without accomplishing any of the messianic criteria, instead of being a failure was actually a necessity.

He did so by introducing the doctrine of total depravity, making all humans de facto sinners and therefore in need of an atoning sacrifice Rom7:14-25,Rom3:10-11,5:13,8:7-8,1Cor2:14,Eph2:1-3,Titus3:3. His addressees however already believed in the resurrection of the dead, in a just God who forgave the sins of a penitent heart. Nothing was missing in their system that Jesus' sacrifice and resurrection could fix. Paul's redeeming hero was a redundancy to them, so he was obviously met with fierce resistence wherever he preached his unscriptural ideas. This led him to eventually turn to the gentiles among whom he found a much more favorable audience.

Paul's major tenet is that man is a slave to sin, cannot reach holiness by his actions, and must be "saved" from inherent damnation. One by his own will cannot choose to turn to God unless by God's grace.

The doctrine was further developped by Augustine of Hippo but some righteous early christians objected and were quickly branded as heretical. Among Augustine's powerful arguments was that human depravity could be demonstrated by the "involuntariness" of the male erection. This base impulse belonged to nature, or the flesh, not to the spirit. In his logic, because of man's uncontrolable urges, it was women who had to be constrained. Tertullian taught when a parent sinned, this physical taint of the soul was passed on to children. Paul applied himself to give everyone a reason to reconsider Jesus’ death, now turned into a suicide mission planned since the beginning of creation. But the cursed law of Moses stood in his way. If one could find salvation through obedience to the law, as all past prophets including Jesus taught, then it would make Jesus' supposedly purposeful sacrifice redundant
Gal2:21"If righteousness come by law, Christ is dead in vain".
This theology appeals to people who have despaired of life, themselves and God. It is toxic, as it crushes the person's self esteem, making him yield to dark thoughts of hopelessness in oneself, and it is satanic as it discourages the building of a relationship with a merciless, unloving God. Hope is therefore found elsewhere, neither in God nor man, but in an intercessor that fixes the defects of both so as to reconcile them. He is a sinless man and a merciful, loving God, both in one since the divine cancels sinfulness and the human cancels mercilesness and unlovingness. His divine nature makes this man capable of perfect deeds thus pleasing God and restoring His hope in man, his human nature makes this God capable of dying, and through this self-sacrifice, capable of showing love and mercy, thus pleasing man and restoring his hope in God.

That notion of human depravity was progressively taken higher by a practice which the Quran condemns Christians for; Exagerated ascetism. It is predicated on the rejection of the world because soul and body are two different realities, enemies of one another, incompatible. In Christianity's notion of ascetism, which is largely based on Stoicism the dominant helenic philosophy at the time Christianity was being shaped and formed, the flesh is the enemy of the Spirit and should be mortified
Rom8:6-13"To be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life ... The carnal mind is enmity against God ... They that are in the flesh cannot please God ... If you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live".
The body is wretched and vile Rom7:24,Phil3:21, in conflict with the Spirit 1Cor9:27,Gal5:17,1Pet2:11 and the harbinger of corruption and death 1Cor15:42,Gal6:8. In contrast, the Spirit is holy Rom1:4, life Rom8:2,2Cor3:6, power 1Cor2:4,2Tim1:7, and joy Rom14:7,1Thess1:6. The embodiment of piety is reflected in the priest who doesnt marry and chooses celibacy as god-liness, turning away from the temptation of the flesh through which "original sin" was transmitted to humanity and could still pollute the spirit when practiced, according to the early church fathers. Those who engage in marriage and sexual intimacy are those that lack the discipline to adhere to the higher standards of their faith Rom7:18,1Cor7:32-35. In 1Cor7 Paul clearly speaks of celibacy as the embodiement of piety and only those that cannot bear it may marry, thus making a concession to the flesh
"this as a concession, not as a command. I wish that all of you were as I am. To the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry,for it is better to marry than to burn with passion".
But to burn "the passion" would also mean sacrifying religious discipline, submitting to the flesh, which is why many prefer to remain unmarried for the sake of not compromising their spirituality, though they cannot bear it, thus leading to secret sexual abuses
"I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord".
That idea is rejected by the Quran, stating that man has been made balanced and proportionate 82:7-8 and thus without any inherent conflict between his flesh and spirit.

Besides obsession with chastity, early Christians' rigid ascetism included the rejection of other "earthly" pleasures such as adequate food and drink, comfortable shelter and clothing, the pleasures of a social existence. Though its own hierarchs rarely observed the practice, subjugation of desire, renunciation of pleasure, chastity, self-inflicted agonies, isolation and every other form of deprivation was lauded by the Church as an achievement of holiness and "spirituality". Cleanliness and hygiene were themselves suspect, believed to hide an unlcean mind. They identified their internal struggle of desiring the joys of this world with Jesus' suffering.

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